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To all our members:

Honestly, I cannot understand why someone would take credit for something that they did not create or own. What's wrong with crediting another site for something that came from that site? The answer for me is, why credit another site when it will directly impact your site and your ability to make money? Do you need the money that bad? 

If Joe were to charge $30.00 a month with say roughly 500 members, that's a bit of money. Whole point is that what is being contributed by the members, Joe and Bill is strictly out of the admiration we all have for the Iron Game. I look and see the number count from Joe, Liam, Jarett, Gherardo, Andrey,  Ray, both Bob Wildes and Bob Fett and Dale along with many others. Each and everyone of us is doing this with no financial strings attached. So why should someone have the ability to come here and boost what they wish for their own financial gain? How low can you go-bottom of the barrel I guess.

I'm not looking for an answer but rather to submit my view on this topic.-Michael

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2 hours ago, Michael Murphy said:

To all our members:

Honestly, I cannot understand why someone would take credit for something that they did not create or own. What's wrong with crediting another site for something that came from that site? The answer for me is, why credit another site when it will directly impact your site and your ability to make money? Do you need the money that bad? 

If Joe were to charge $30.00 a month with say roughly 500 members, that's a bit of money. Whole point is that what is being contributed by the members, Joe and Bill is strictly out of the admiration we all have for the Iron Game. I look and see the number count from Joe, Liam, Jarett, Gherardo, Andrey,  Ray, both Bob Wildes and Bob Fett and Dale along with many others. Each and everyone of us is doing this with no financial strings attached. So why should someone have the ability to come here and boost what they wish for their own financial gain? How low can you go-bottom of the barrel I guess.

I'm not looking for an answer but rather to submit my view on this topic.-Michael

I have not made any money from this site, nor have I ever wanted to. It is not about money, and those members who donate, none of that money comes to me, it goes to Bill, and not Bill's pocket, but to offset the costs of running the forum. For many years- perhaps 13 or so, Bill footed all the costs associated with hosting this forum. Then he proposed asking members to donate. I, at first, was opposed to it, then I stopped myself and thought, wait, Joe, you have had a free ride for 13 years, how ridiculous to thwart Bill's attempt to recoup some money. So I agreed. It would be helpful if more people donated but those who do are giving the rest of the members a free ride.

It puzzles me no end how some members, who are on here every day, do not value the site enough to donate. Is $20 per year a bank-breaking amount? Anyway, thanks to those who keep us going. I suspect some are using false names, which would be discovered in a financial transaction.

To all of those who post to increase our content, thank you. Because of you there is a storehouse here- specific information, which has become a worthy fountain of dates, places, numbers, and stories.

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I want to donate the money but won't use PayPal anymore.
Any other way to pay? 

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I would be delighted to mail a check and avoid PayPal myself but, make it easy on yourselves Joe and Bill...

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I have asked Bill what alternatives to PayPal we can use. Will let you know when I know.

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If a member wishes to become a donor without using PayPal, please email Bill at   editor@cyberpump.com

There is a way he can accept a credit card.

Thanks,

Joe

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I am enjoying the closed membership. It may stay this way for a while. Perhaps forever. Maybe we can come up with a vetting process which would be more helpful.

Now, a question. It was recently pointed out to me that there is a member who had visited here for 12 years but has never posted- not so much as an intro. This puzzles me too, and one way I accept it is to imagine I had joined a site but was there to only learn and did not feel qualified to participate. Should I be excluded? In my case, I am a member of a site where in several years I have posted, I think, twice, because many there are scholars in the field and I am only a student. Of course I pay $25 per year so I deserve to be there. What are your views on members who remain in the shadows?

This site (IH) could run perfectly well with 100 members, I suspect, perhaps fewer, because that is the number - my guess- who truly participate, and many of them donate. But if we are here to present accurate ironhistory, then it is appropriate to have those wanting to learn here also.

Years ago someone - more than one- complained to Bill about how I was running this forum. Bill's reply was that he helped with the technical running of the forum, not the moderating of it, that it was my baby and he did not interfere. That was true then and has been since. Bill is unappreciated by many, but he is a genuine workhorse.

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17 minutes ago, Joe Roark said:

I am enjoying the closed membership. It may stay this way for a while. Perhaps forever. Maybe we can come up with a vetting process which would be more helpful.

Now, a question. It was recently pointed out to me that there is a member who had visited here for 12 years but has never posted- not so much as an intro. This puzzles me too, and one way I accept it is to imagine I had joined a site but was there to only learn and did not feel qualified to participate. Should I be excluded? In my case, I am a member of a site where in several years I have posted, I think, twice, because many there are scholars in the field and I am only a student. Of course I pay $25 per year so I deserve to be there. What are your views on members who remain in the shadows?

This site (IH) could run perfectly well with 100 members, I suspect, perhaps fewer, because that is the number - my guess- who truly participate, and many of them donate. But if we are here to present accurate ironhistory, then it is appropriate to have those wanting to learn here also.

Years ago someone - more than one- complained to Bill about how I was running this forum. Bill's reply was that he helped with the technical running of the forum, not the moderating of it, that it was my baby and he did not interfere. That was true then and has been since. Bill is unappreciated by many, but he is a genuine workhorse.

Maybe a post will pop up in the 13th year. That's okay. Perhaps 20th year. That's okay too. Answering your question: there needs be no mandate to post; I'd encourage anyone interested in the topic to passively participate if that be personal choice. 

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1 hour ago, Joe Roark said:

I am enjoying the closed membership. It may stay this way for a while. Perhaps forever. Maybe we can come up with a vetting process which would be more helpful.

Now, a question. It was recently pointed out to me that there is a member who had visited here for 12 years but has never posted- not so much as an intro. This puzzles me too, and one way I accept it is to imagine I had joined a site but was there to only learn and did not feel qualified to participate. Should I be excluded? In my case, I am a member of a site where in several years I have posted, I think, twice, because many there are scholars in the field and I am only a student. Of course I pay $25 per year so I deserve to be there. What are your views on members who remain in the shadows?

When I log on and read the posts contributed by others with way more knowledge, I sometimes think that I am perhaps less qualified. No shame in being a student for me. I've been lifting seriously since the early 1980s but, collecting seriously (er - accumulating) gear and literature only about 5 years. I'm mostly here to learn; I do have things to contribute though, and I will do so when I can. Serving as the presiding officer of several groups over the years, I've seen a lot of members who apparently just pay to watch. If you want to enjoy "it", get in and get busy. And then there is the pleasure of meeting others with similar interests who would likely have remained at a perpetual distance had I not bothered. I think it is a shame to join any organization and not bother to participate.

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This forum is different than some other iron forums in that people can ask what may be thought of as a novice question and others will politely answer.  On other forums, that is not so much the case - some people give rude comments and, I believe, chase people away as a result.  This is the reason I have not joined some of the other forums and why I remain here.  I try to do some research on things (vintage iron, for example) before I ask questions, but a person should not be afraid to ask a question even if they have not done the research.  Sometimes you may not get a response - maybe others don't know the answer - but that's ok.  Don't feel like you can't ask questions.

There is no such thing as a stupid question.  If it is such a stupid question, then why don't you know the answer to it?  Obtaining answers to questions is how we learn.

Some people are shy and may not want to ask questions.  That's perfectly fine.  To each their own.

I would be very unhappy if someone didn't ask questions or comment because they might think that others would provide rude comments.  That would be a shame.  I have not seen that on this forum so I hope people will feel free to ask questions and comment.

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www.ironhistory.com/forum/index.php?/topic/18045-iron-man-magazine/page/7/

I thought this comment by Peary Rader still  applies today only to the internet. It's from Volume 1 No. 4 issue of Iron Man.-Michael

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From page 20 & 21 of The Iron Man, Volume 1 No. 4. This would be June of 1937. The following is written by Peary Rader:

"We have received letters of congratulation from Mr. Hoffman, Mr. Jowett, Mr. Evans and others. Also from Terlazzo and other Champions. We thank all these men for their praise and friendship and hope that we can always preserve a friendly spirit between "The Iron Man" and the other magazines in the bodybuilding field. There is no reason why everyone in th Physical Culture field should not act honestly and considerately toward each other. There is not enough money made in this field for anyone to act dishonest. And even if there was, there is no greater thing that man do than live and die honorably and uprightly. I hope all barbell men will help us build the reputation as a group for being the finest, cleanest, strongest and most honest in the world."

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On 2/4/2021 at 2:09 PM, John McEneany said:

I have just experimented with a free watermarking.  Came up with this. My new tree.

bigoak.jpg

That tree has been in my family for 200 years. My lawyer will contact you.

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On 2/8/2021 at 1:19 PM, Joe Schwartz said:

This forum is different than some other iron forums in that people can ask what may be thought of as a novice question and others will politely answer.  On other forums, that is not so much the case - some people give rude comments and, I believe, chase people away as a result.  This is the reason I have not joined some of the other forums and why I remain here.  I try to do some research on things (vintage iron, for example) before I ask questions, but a person should not be afraid to ask a question even if they have not done the research.  Sometimes you may not get a response - maybe others don't know the answer - but that's ok.  Don't feel like you can't ask questions.

There is no such thing as a stupid question.  If it is such a stupid question, then why don't you know the answer to it?  Obtaining answers to questions is how we learn.

Some people are shy and may not want to ask questions.  That's perfectly fine.  To each their own.

I would be very unhappy if someone didn't ask questions or comment because they might think that others would provide rude comments.  That would be a shame.  I have not seen that on this forum so I hope people will feel free to ask questions and comment.

Good points. We have members whose knowledge on certain aspects far exceeds mine. I like to think that when it comes to finding information, my files may put me ahead of others. If a hospital had only one type of surgeon many patients would not get care. We have several specialists.

In the early years of IH I had to fight those who thought our restrictions on language here were a challenge to their freedom of speech. In fact it was an invitation for all  to feel welcome here. Your wife can look at your IH page and not wonder why a pair of bare breasts are looking back at her. I like boobs as much as the next guy but that is not what IH is about. You can leave your IH screen on while you step away for a few minutes and not fret that your daughter or son will be shocked. Bored maybe, but not shocked.

Perhaps we all need to remember that at some early point in our study of the iron game, we asked the same questions that new members ask now.

After 17 and a third years, IH is still going strong.

 

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5 minutes ago, Joe Roark said:

That tree has been in my family for 200 years. My lawyer will contact you.

It's going to be difficult to prove in court that you are related to a tree, and also to explain why you hadn't watermarked it. That image is in my new book entitled how to grow as strong as an ancient tree. Mighty limbs guaranteed.

 

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The study of family trees is called genealogy.

Joe has his own Genie.

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17 hours ago, Joe Roark said:

Good points. We have members whose knowledge on certain aspects far exceeds mine. I like to think that when it comes to finding information, my files may put me ahead of others. If a hospital had only one type of surgeon many patients would not get care. We have several specialists.

In the early years of IH I had to fight those who thought our restrictions on language here were a challenge to their freedom of speech. In fact it was an invitation for all  to feel welcome here. Your wife can look at your IH page and not wonder why a pair of bare breasts are looking back at her. I like boobs as much as the next guy but that is not what IH is about. You can leave your IH screen on while you step away for a few minutes and not fret that your daughter or son will be shocked. Bored maybe, but not shocked.

Perhaps we all need to remember that at some early point in our study of the iron game, we asked the same questions that new members ask now.

After 17 and a third years, IH is still going strong.

 

Joe,

I am unsure if it isn’t better to have the wife confronted with some „forgotten“ boobs instead of the „big balls in string thongs“ from the old time builders we look at preferably.

Thomas

 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Thomas Klose said:

Joe,

I am unsure if it isn’t better to have the wife confronted with some „forgotten“ boobs instead of the „big balls in string thongs“ from the old time builders we look at preferably.

Thomas

‘The wife’ might disagree:)

 

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Joe Roark said:

 

and it gets dangerous when you finally see your wife as a member here....and she is not in for iron curves but for other curves...

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This is still the best place to look back at old threads and look up knowledge. I tend to stick to old iron depot but as I get older I benefit greatly from the training advice from others.

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I am thinking of a way to allow new members but not via the admission system we had used. More of a personal-contact-me-privately system. I do want new SERIOUS members, not miners who stock their sites with what our members contribute. Cowards who cannot acknowledge who they really are.

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Joe.  Just curious, would you be against people using info from here if they asked permission from the poster or at least acknowledged the source 

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11 hours ago, Jarett Hulse said:

Joe.  Just curious, would you be against people using info from here if they asked permission from the poster or at least acknowledged the source 

Interesting. There are some people who post here who do not want their material posted elsewhere, so for those members I would have to say please do not share without contacting whichever member posted the material. If permission is given then it would be fine. The roadblock comes if several people are in a thread.

Regarding what I post I prefer it to be here only because sometimes other people take credit for composing what I compiled.

I am in contact with Joe Dube who has asked me to share with him the list of contests that he and his three brothers competed in. After he checks the list I will post it here. If he chooses to share it elsewhere it is fine because he helped by checking it. There was no written magazine reference for his first contest, for example, so I was unaware of it.

I am rambling. But I hope it is clear enough?

 

 

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In many cases it would be easier if posted information stays only here. For example if I post here something and it contains errors. It is much easier to correct here. When it is spread to many places the error is very difficult to correct and when it is noticed that there is erroneous information it is my fault everywhere and causes problems.

On the other hand I know at least two occasions where I have been thanked for providing information and I must admit that it gave me good feelings.

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