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Abe Goldberg obituary from Flex April 2003.

Ron Teufel obituary from Flex April 2003:

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Bert Goodrich from Flex March 2003:

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Hermann Goerner from Flex October 2008:

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Bob Fett

A goldmine of articles.

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John Grimek from Flex January 1999.

[this side note- I would not use the word 'raise' in relation to children. Properly, animals are raised; children are reared]

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George Hackenschmidt from Flex October 2007:

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Lee Haney from Flex September 1999:

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Barton Horvath from Flex March 2002: [Horvath died in 2004]

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Debbie Jacobs

I have been enjoying reading this series of articles! Somehow, after reading your article on Apollon (Uni, Louis), I'm not surprised you chose his likeness for your ironhistory logo :).

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Joe Roark

I have been enjoying reading this series of articles! Somehow, after reading your article on Apollon (Uni, Louis), I'm not surprised you chose his likeness for your ironhistory logo :).

Apollon remains my favorite oldtimer. A man who seemed to have reserves which his laziness allowed him to save for those times when he truly needed to demonstrate his strength. Actually, it was Bill Piche who created that page for me because such a task for me is impossible. So we use it on our ironhistory facebook page.

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Don Howorth from Flex April 2008:

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Thomas Inch from Flex November 2007:

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Mike Katz from Flex April 2007:

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Sig Klein from Flex April 2006:

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Thomas Klose

Joe,

how is Siegmund Klein's name pronounced in english ?

Thomas

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Joe Roark

Joe,

how is Siegmund Klein's name pronounced in english ?

Thomas

Kline. How about in German?

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Thomas Klose

Joe,

how is Siegmund Klein's name pronounced in english ?

Thomas

Kline. How about in German?

Kline

How about the first name?

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Joe Roark

Joe,

how is Siegmund Klein's name pronounced in english ?

Thomas

Kline. How about in German?

Kline

How about the first name?

Sig = cig so, cig-mund.

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Thomas Klose

Joe,

how is Siegmund Klein's name pronounced in english ?

Thomas

Kline. How about in German?
Kline

How about the first name?

Sig = cig so, cig-mund.

Thanks a lot , Joe!

So it is the same here.

I thought it was different like other german names

eg. Weider or Koch

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Michael Murphy

Joe:

Just a couple of quick things I noticed in the Hackenschmidt profile:

The match with Tom Cannon was on September 27, 1902 in Liverpool. (see page 146 The Way to Live)

The wrestling tournament in Vienna at Easter time of 1901 was billed as a tournament for the championship of the world. The Turk, Halil Adali, finished second the Hackenschmidt followed in third place by Paul Pons. (see pages 136 & 137 of The Way to Live)

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Joe Roark

Joe:Just a couple of quick things I noticed in the Hackenschmidt profile:The match with Tom Cannon was on September 27, 1902 in Liverpool. (see page 146 The Way to Live)The wrestling tournament in Vienna at Easter time of 1901 was billed as a tournament for the championship of the world. The Turk, Halil Adali, finished second the Hackenschmidt followed in third place by Paul Pons. (see pages 136 & 137 of The Way to Live)

Thank you, Michael.

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Michael Murphy

Joe:

Obviously I meant that Halil Adali finished second to Hackenschmidt followed in third place by Paul Pons. As you noted, Hack's defeat of Tommy Jenkins on July 2, 1904 at the Albert Hall was in Greco-Roman style. Lurich challenged Hack during the summer of 1904 but Hack left for Australia and New Zealand come September. This gave Hack time to polish his skill in Catch Wrestling before he met Tommy Jenkins in Madison Square Garden on May 4, 1905. Hack was not proficient in catch wrestling at this time. The trip to Australia afforded him both time and privacy to practice catch.

Defeating Tommy Jenkins in American Catch Wrestling further established Hack's right to be called the World's Heavyweight Wrestling Champion (note: the Madison Square Garden event was hardly a catch match). Hack defeats Ahmed Madrali at Olympia in London on Saturday April 28, 1906 in catch. The Jenkins match in Albert Hall is Hack's last significant match in Greco-Roman.

When Hack is defeated by Frank Gotch in April of 1908 it is for the World's Heavyweight title. Since Frank Gotch did not wrestle Greco-Roman style I would think Hack still held the right to call himself Greco-Roman champion? All of the circumstances surrounding the first match with Frank Gotch makes me wonder if this event was not a "worked" match. The money for the second match was substantially better.

When considering the first match, it's a well known fact that Hack was a heavy odds on favorite. Boxing and wrestling were notorious for sports gambling. The Hack and Gotch gates cannot compare with that of the highly anticipated boxing matches of that era.

Hack is certainly one of the more colorful strongmen/wrestlers of that era. He remains my favorite. Surely Arthur Saxon would rate high on my list as would Bobby Pandur & Otto Arco.

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Irvin Koszewski from Flex May 2007: (Zabo died in 2009)

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Lee Labrada from Flex December 2004:

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Ron Lacy from Flex May 2003: (Ron died in 2005)

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